The Archers Omnibus

00:00 This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. 00:06 So a quick summer recap. 00:08 Heat waves, data leaks, AI hacks, folding phones and a viral spinally challenged raccoon. 00:12 Yeah, I think that covers it, right? 00:16 I'm Thomas Germain. 00:17 I'm Jess Maddox and the interface is back from its summer break. 00:20 New season, new co-host, same deep dives into the tech that's shaping our world and our lives. 00:26 So before AI wipes out all of humanity, allegedly, join us for the interface. 00:31 Listen on bbc.com or wherever you get your podcasts. 00:37 Fundei a Ornota em 2013. Fabricamos o vestuário para ciclistas. Para mim, a melhor parte da Shopify é a possibilidade de gerirmos o negócio mesmo não tendo conhecimentos técnicos. Conseguimos gerir tudo, do back-end ao front-end, e fazer vendas online, sem complicações. Se a Shopify fosse um equipamento de ciclismo, You're listening to The Archer's Omnibus from BBC Radio 4. 01:30 Do you want another cushion to put under your arm? 01:33 I'm all right. 01:36 How do we know he's getting enough? 01:38 Well, you know, healthy calves know when to stop. 01:42 But we're not cows. 01:43 Here, have another cushion. 01:46 It'll support your arm. 01:48 Okay. 01:49 He's a big boy, isn't he, baby Joe? Here. Yeah, thanks. 01:54 Thanks. 01:58 I've been thinking. 02:00 I'm not sure that Joe's the right name for him. 02:04 Oh. 02:05 Why? Have you gone off it? 02:06 No, no, no. I like it. I'm just not sure it suits him, you know? What do you think? 02:13 I don't know. I think he could grow into it. 02:18 You okay? 02:19 Yeah. 02:21 I just didn't think breastfeeding was going to be this uncomfortable. 02:24 The midwife said you'd get used to it. Is there anything I can do? Anything I can get you? 02:29 No. 02:30 I'm fine, thanks. 02:32 How about I go to the shops, get all the stuff we need? 02:34 Will said he'd do that. I gave Poppy the list. 02:37 Yeah, she left it on the side. 02:39 Did she? 02:40 They've gone to the cinema. They're going to be ages. Her boat, I'll just pop out now, see what I can get. I'll take Holly, give her a walk. 02:47 OK, but I don't think you're going to get all that stuff from the village shop. 02:56 Just tap your card there, Harrison. 02:58 Oh, tell her, Susan. OK. 03:00 So, any plans for the rest of the day? 03:03 Oh, plans? Yeah, I'm meeting a friend later. 03:06 Oh, that's nice. Any want to know? 03:08 Er, no. 03:11 Oh, hello, George. 03:12 Hi, Nana. 03:13 Harrison. George. 03:15 How's my wonderful great-grandson doing? 03:19 Yeah, yeah, he's good, thanks. 03:21 You heard the fabulous news. 03:23 I did, I did. 03:24 Congratulations. Yeah, thanks. 03:27 Can't believe I'm a great-nana. Hmm. 03:30 Well, you don't look old enough. 03:31 Oh, stop it. Right, I'll see you later. 03:34 Have a good one. 03:39 Did you know he's moved back in with Fallon? 03:42 No, I didn't. 03:43 Yeah. You must have heard how Jolene chucked him out of the ball when he told her he was seeing Lily. 03:50 Oh, yeah, right. 03:51 Then he had to stay with your uncle Christopher and now he's back in Woodbine. I wonder if they've got back together. 03:59 Who? 04:00 Harrison and Fallon. 04:01 Oh. 04:02 I feel a bit sorry for him. All that to-ing and fro-ing. Anyway, how's Amber? 04:08 Oh. 04:09 I'm doing amazing, you know. I'm trying to be useful, but Nana, I really don't know what I'm doing. I've got to get all this stuff, but I've not got a clue what half of it is. 04:18 Let's see. 04:19 Do you have any of it? 04:23 Well, I can sort you out with the painkillers and whatnot, but some of these things you'll have to get from the supermarket, I'm afraid. 04:32 Yeah, I thought so. 04:34 But tell you what, I'm finishing here in a minute. How about I get this lot for you? 04:39 Would you? 04:39 Of course, love. 04:41 That'd be amazing. I'll just need to take Holly home because she's tied up outside. 04:45 Oh, you don't need to come. I can get it. Give you time to let Holly have a proper walk. Really? Yeah. Go and get some fresh air. It'll do you good. 05:00 Hiya, Grandpa. What are you doing? Now then, George. 05:04 Hello, girl. 05:06 I'm trying to shift these troughs into the van. There's a pub in Darrington taking them off me hands. They're going to use them as planters or something. Got a good price for them. Oh, just watch Holly by that wall there. Some nasty beggars been pinching stones again. 05:21 Really? 05:21 Yeah, pulling them right out from the middle. Mindless it is. Oliver's been in touch with Harrison to look into it. 05:29 Any road, how's our little Joe doing? 05:32 Yeah, yeah, he's brilliant, he is. 05:35 And I heard you were right by Amber's side the whole time. Well, yeah, you know. You'll always remember that, you will. 05:42 Yeah, I was just giving Holly a quick walk. I think I'd better get back now for Amber. 05:48 Unless you need help. Oh, I'll be fine. But you're all at yourself. Come on, I'll lend you a hand. Let me message Amber. 05:58 Sorry the place is a mess, Susan. I wasn't expecting anyone. No, you're fine. You haven't seen George, have you? 06:04 Oh, didn't you see his message on the family chat? 06:07 No, I didn't. I don't even know where my phone is. 06:11 He said he's helping Eddie with a job. He's gone with him to Darrington. Darrington? 06:18 Right. OK, then. But look, you've got all the things you wanted. You did? Yeah. George gave me the list. Had to go to a few places, but got there in the end. 06:29 So we've got painkillers, nappies, breast pads, maternity pads. Oh, anyway, it's all in there. Just let me know if you need anything else. Susan, this... 06:43 Thank you. Thank you so much. Just let me know how much we owe you. Oh, no, no, no. It's all on us. Oh, you don't have to do that. 06:50 No, don't mention it. 06:53 Thank you. Now, let me have a little look at my great-grandson. Do you want to hold him? 07:01 Oh, no. 07:03 I don't want to disturb him. He seems to only sleep when we're holding him, which is proving quite challenging at night. 07:10 Oh, isn't he special? 07:13 Aren't you special? 07:15 Yep, I'm very hungry all the time. He's feeding well then. 07:19 I think so. Would you like a cup of tea? Oh, no, no, no, love, don't you get up again. I should be making you one. Yes. 07:32 Oh, you OK? 07:33 Just, you know, stitches. 07:38 George said you did amazing. I really didn't. Oh, but you did. 07:43 Just look at him. 07:44 I know. But Susan... 07:48 I didn't know it was going to be that bad. 07:51 Giving birth, I mean. Oh, lovely. 07:56 I was meant to be in the birthing pool, but it was hurting so much by then. And it was too late for an epidural. 08:04 Oh, number. 08:05 It was... 08:07 It was the hardest thing I've ever had to go through. 08:13 The pain. 08:15 And then the blood and the mess afterwards. 08:22 Everyone's been saying I'm lucky and I've got a healthy baby. 08:26 I know. I know I am, but I can't help going over it all in my head, what I could have done differently. 08:33 And George, he's trying to be helpful and do things, but I really can't handle him fussing around me. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to offload. No, no, look. 08:43 It's quite all right here. Look, never tell you. 08:47 Thank you. Now, what do you think about me holding the baby, eh? 08:53 Because I think what you need right now is to go upstairs and have a little lie down. And even if he can't sleep, just rest. 09:02 What do you think? 09:04 I think I'd like that very much. 09:11 Job well done, that George. Now, do you fancy a swift one? No, it's all right. I think I'd better be getting back. I said it wouldn't be long. Oh, go on. Susan's message to say Amber's gone for a little nap. So you may as well. Hey, hang on, is that... Is that... It is. Hello? Harrison? Harrison, yoo-hoo! Hey, oh. Hiya, Eddie. How do? What brings you over this way? The ball not good enough for you? Oh, you know, just... Fancy to change the scenery. Me and George are on a job here. 09:42 Oh, right. Right, are you? Oh, good. 09:44 Well, listen, I'll let you get on then. It's right good to see you both. 09:48 Hold on, Harrison. You are going to come and see our damaged garden wall, aren't you? 09:52 Oh, yeah, yeah. Don't worry about that. I'll drop by this week. I mean, it's vandalism. Pure vandalism. Yeah, yeah, don't worry. I'll see to it. 10:01 He was in no hurry. Grandpa, I think we should be getting back. And who's that he's here with? Is that... It is! It's Lily Pardeter! Oh, yeah. Oh, he moved on quick, didn't he? Traded Fallon in for a younger model, of course. 10:15 Yeah, well, I'm not sure they'd appreciate everyone gossiping about them. Who's gossiping? 10:20 Well, I suppose if Fallon didn't want kids and he did, he was never going to work. But Lily, a bit young, isn't she? Yeah, yeah, maybe. Funny how things turn out, innit? You'd think the type of man he is. He'd have it all sorted. You know what? I think we should skip that drink, Grandpa. 10:42 You know, for a second there, when I woke up, I actually forgot I had a baby. And then I heard him crying and my heart sank a bit. 10:50 Is that really bad? 10:51 Oh, no, love. Just not used to being needed all the time. 10:55 I guess so. 10:56 Oh, but look at him. He's absolutely perfect. 11:02 I really don't want you to think I'm ungrateful, Susan. I'm not. I love him with all my heart and I'm so happy he's here. 11:12 But it's just all been a lot. 11:15 I know. 11:16 It is a lot. 11:18 But don't you worry. Look, all these feelings right now, they're really normal. And honestly, love, you'll adjust. You'll get used to it. You just have to get through these first few months and things will get a lot easier. 11:34 Oh, there's so much joy you're going to get out of this little baby. 11:39 And you and George are going to be just fine. He might not be much use at the moment, but I know his heart's in the right place. Just bear with him. 11:51 Hello? Hello? 11:55 Oh, sorry I've been so long. 11:58 I'll just get going now, actually, because I don't want to get in your way. 12:01 You OK, Amber? 12:03 Everyone OK? Everyone's OK. Susan's been amazing. 12:08 Oh, thanks, Nana. 12:09 Oh, my pleasure. Just glad it can be useful. I'll see myself out. 12:14 Thank you so much, Susan. 12:16 Bye. 12:19 Oh, what was that for? 12:21 Oh, I don't know. Just grateful, I suppose. 12:25 I was a bit of an emotional wreck just then. 12:27 With Nana? 12:28 Yeah. But she was brilliant. 12:30 Yeah, she is. 12:32 I'm sorry if I've been a bit off. 12:35 You haven't been off. 12:36 No, it's just... 12:37 It's all been a bit mad, hasn't it? 12:40 Yeah, understatement. 12:42 I mean, you have the baby, and that's, well, you know, really, really hard. 12:50 And then they send you home, and you've got this little thing who's depending on you. And I don't know what I'm doing, and I'm just so, so tired. I know. 13:02 I know you are. 13:03 I don't know how I'm going to hold it together. 13:06 You don't have to. I'm here. 13:09 I know. 13:11 Sorry if I've been all over the place. 13:14 It's just seeing you go through that was really scary. 13:20 I wasn't expecting to feel like that. 13:22 I know. It was scary for me too. 13:25 But I'm just so glad you're okay and he's okay. And I promise I'm going to do everything I can to be the best that I can be. 13:35 Me too. 13:37 Because we are so lucky to have him. 13:42 And so lucky to have each other. 13:50 Hi, Adam. Brian, hello. Oh, I'm glad I've caught you. How was Xander's birthday? 13:56 Yeah, it was good, thanks. 13:58 Alice said the magician was good value. 14:00 Yeah, yeah. And did he enjoy it, Xander? Yeah, he did. 14:05 Sorry, Brian, I'm in a bit of a rush. 14:06 Sure, sure. Just a quick one, then. I've got a present for Xander. Shall I just pop round with it? It's quite big. It's huge, actually. 14:15 No, thank you. He got loads of presents from his classmates. Too many, in fact. It... It was all a bit overwhelming for him, to be honest. 14:23 Oh, well, I'm really rather pleased with this. He's going to love it. 14:25 Really, Brian, I can't chat. I've got to go. 14:28 Well, it'd be a shame for him not to have it. I can just drop it round. It's not a problem. 14:33 Sorry, Brian. I'm out all afternoon. 14:40 Shh! Shh! 14:43 Oh, baby, please. Please stop crying. Shh! 14:47 Stop crying. Please. 14:49 George, are you OK? 14:51 Hello, George. Hello, little Joe. Mum, Grandpa, am I glad to see you. 15:02 Brian. Ian, hi. I'm just on my way out. Don't worry, I'm just dropping this off for Xander. It's his birthday present. Wow, that's some box. Yeah, well, it's a child-sized gardening station. 15:17 He's got a proper potting bench, a mini greenhouse. He's even got tools so he can grow carrots and tomatoes, flowers, well, whatever he wants, really. Wow, that sounds really cool. Well, I'm sure Xander's got green fingers, hasn't he? Thanks, that's really thoughtful. I'm sure he'll absolutely love it. Well, I thought so, too. It just needs assembling. And I've actually got a bit of time now. If you'd just let me round the back, I'd get it all set up. Right now... 15:44 I would have brought it to his party if you'd asked me. Yeah, yeah, look, I know. 15:48 I don't want him to think I've forgotten him. No, no, of course. 15:53 I do miss him, Ian. 15:56 Does he ever ask after me? 15:59 Yeah, sometimes. 16:01 You know what, Brian? Just come through. Oh, really? 16:04 Oh, fantastic. Look, I'll just go and grab my tools from the car. 16:10 See now, that's more like it. All quiet now. 16:14 I finally figured out this sling. 16:16 You're a modern man there, George, with babies strapped to you like that. 16:20 Well, men should carry their babies more often. 16:23 I bet Amber feels strange, you taking him out. Remember I did, the first time Mum took you out. Felt like I'd lost my arm. 16:29 Yeah. I said I'd only take him round the block, so I can't be long. But I thought I'd drop in on you. 16:34 Maybe Amber can get some rest. 16:36 Doubt it. Poppy will be home from school any minute. The whirlwind. 16:40 Is it OK? You're all living there now, with the baby. 16:43 Kind of. I think Poppy's annoyed we're taking up the living room with all the baby stuff. 16:47 Well, you can always come round to see me and your grandma if you need a change of scenery. Yeah, thanks, Grandpa. In fact, she's been busy cooking for you. 16:56 Oh, is she? Good old Clary. Well, I must be getting on. OK, Eddie. 17:02 Save me some of our Edward's cake. Bye. 17:04 See you. 17:06 Is that what that smell is? I completely forgot it's his birthday. 17:09 Oh, Ed won't mind. Anyway, it's just a Victoria sponge. I could bring it round yours later. We could sing happy birthday and do candles. 17:17 Mm-hm. 17:18 Mum, what do you think about the name Joe? Do you reckon it suits him? 17:24 Well, what do you and Amber think? 17:26 She don't reckon on it now. And I'm not totally sure neither. 17:30 What name suits a baby? 17:32 But anyway, I want her to be happy. 17:35 What's Amber thinking of? 17:37 I think Amber wants something a bit different, you know? 17:40 Right. 17:42 I don't know, it's your decision. 17:44 So what do you reckon we should do? I mean, I'm going to have to tell Grandpa, ain't I? 17:50 But he was so happy when I told him we'd call him Joe. I thought I was doing something really good to cheer him up. Because he needs cheering up. 17:57 You're worried about hurting his feelings? 17:59 Yeah. 18:00 I just don't want to disappoint him. 18:02 Oh, love. 18:03 I think the best thing you can do is be honest with him. 18:09 Evening, Eddie. Evening, Brian. I hear congratulations are in order. That's right. A baby boy. They've named him Joe. Oh, how lovely. 18:17 Oh, you must be delighted. 18:19 Oh, I think there's nothing better than grandchildren. Or great-grandchildren, in my case. I agree. 18:24 It's a special bond. They're the future, eh? 18:28 Oh, I'll say. Because it's them that'll remember us when we're long gone. 18:32 Yes, well, you'd hope so. Evening, Brian. George. I hear you're a dad now. 18:37 Yeah. Congratulations. It's a big responsibility. 18:42 Yeah, I suppose so. 18:43 Well, best of luck with it. It's not always the easiest of jobs. 18:48 Thanks. Well, Eddie, have a good evening. 18:50 You too. Night. 18:54 Good of him to stop. What were you talking about? Nothing really. Is that the damage Brad did to Helen's gate? A bit of a state interview. Bet that'll cost a bit to fix. I should say so. Here you go. Your grandma's made all your favourites. Lasagna, the cottage pie. Been cooking for weeks, she has. Enough for William and Poppy and all. 19:15 Thanks, Grandpa. That's really kind of her. 19:17 You know what she's like. 19:20 Oh, he's a smashing little thing, Joe, ain't he? Real grundy look about him. Yeah. Amber reckons his dark hair's from the Gordon side, though. Well, there's no mistaking he's a grundy. 19:31 Oh, your great-grandpa would have been so chuffed. Me too. Thanks. And you really turned your life around, son. When you think about where you were last year. Just about to come out of prison. 19:44 And now you've got a family of your own. A proper legacy. Yeah. I can't really believe it neither. 19:51 Right, shall we get back inside? I think they're about to do our Edward's cake. Er, yeah. 19:57 Grandpa, there's something I need to talk to you about. Shall we go in? It might be best to talk out here. 20:04 Right. 20:05 Okay. What is it? No, it's nothing bad. I mean, it's just me and Amber, we're having second thoughts about the name Joe. 20:16 Right. We want to honour great-grandpa Joe, we really do, but we're just not sure the name's quite right for him. Oh. We were thinking we could still have Joe as a middle name, but just maybe not as his first name. 20:29 What do you think? 20:31 OK. OK? Yeah, OK. So you're all right with that? Yeah. We just didn't want to offend you, you know? 20:38 Why? He's your son. You must call him what you like. Really? 20:44 You think I'm going to make a fuss about you? I didn't know. 20:47 All that matters to me is that he's healthy and happy. It don't matter what you call him. Thanks, Grandpa. 20:55 That's all you can hope for. Yeah, yeah, I guess so. 21:00 When you think about folk like Brian and how he's messed things up, well, it's not worth it, is it? To be remembered like that. What? As a cantankerous old man? Worse. 21:12 I mean, who'd want to be remembered like that? How will any of us want to be remembered when we die? 21:18 How would you like to be remembered, Grandpa? Hey, I ain't dying any time soon, son, so enough of this maudlin chat. Oh, come on, let's go inside, eh? Join that party. 21:32 Whoa, Ian, what's that? 21:34 That looks really smart. What is it? 21:37 Yeah, that's a kid's gardening thing, kit, greenhouse and everything. It's great, isn't it? Xander's not seen it yet. He's going to love it. What a lovely idea. You didn't tell me you'd got him that. It must have been expensive. 21:50 Yeah, yeah, I mean, well, I didn't get it. 21:54 What? Where's it come from, then? 21:57 Sorry, yeah, I was going to tell you about that. 22:03 Pass me that container, would you? 22:06 Here. Thanks. 22:09 Are you OK, love? 22:11 It's just heavy, innit? All this being a parent. 22:15 Oh, yeah. 22:17 Yeah, it is. 22:19 But you're doing good, George. 22:21 I don't feel like I am. 22:23 Well, you are. I can see you are. 22:26 So stop fretting about it, cos all you can do is be the best you can be for Amber and the baby. 22:30 I suppose so. 22:33 I was really frightened I was going to lose her. Lose both of them. 22:37 I know. 22:39 Scary, love. 22:41 But you didn't, did you? Everything is absolutely fine. 22:43 Yeah. 22:44 And we're here to support you. 22:46 Everyone's rooting for you. 22:48 I know. 22:49 I mean, look at all this food your grandma's cooked. Nourishment for the soul, that is. 22:53 Yeah. 22:57 So, you're telling me Brian actually brought it round himself? 23:00 Yeah, I'm sorry. I just thought it was a really nice gift and he was offering up his own time to assemble it. 23:06 So? He said he missed Xander. But I told him not to come. Sorry, what? Yeah, I ran into him this morning. He said he had a present for Xander and I told him not to come. He knew I wouldn't be in. Oh, right. If I'd known, I would have sent him packing. Well, you should have sent him packing anyway. 23:24 But it is a great present, Adam. It's really thoughtful. He's making an effort. 23:28 You mean ignoring what I say and throwing money at the situation? He said he misses Xander. 23:33 Of course he did. Doesn't want him to think he's forgotten about him. Oh, you didn't fall for that, did you? No, but... Do you not think it's a bit harsh that we've not let him see his grandson? I mean, Xander has asked after him lately. Do you think we're denying him a grandparent? No. We agreed, didn't we? We don't want Brian in Xander's life. Now the dust has settled, don't you think we should maybe think about it? No, Ian. I can't forgive him. But I worry you might regret this. In the future, I know Brian's done a huge amount of wrong and he's hurt a lot of people, but do you really want this forever? 24:09 Want what? This hate inside you. It's not inside me. I worry that it is. It's not. You can't hold those type of feelings and it not do harm. 24:20 Yeah, well, it's just something I live with. 24:22 But you might feel better if you don't have to. 24:26 No. No, he deserves to be punished and I'm fine with that. 24:36 The cold snap seems to have got them going. 24:39 Look at the span on those antlers. Magnificent. Afternoon. Ah, hello, Ed. You got a minute to talk? 24:46 No, not really, Martin. Brian, the engineer's tube. Ah, yes. 24:51 Now, can you make sure he checks the chopping drum, please? 24:54 Yeah, yeah, I will do. He's hoping it's dry next week. Ah, yes, of course. Maize harvest. Ed, wait a second. Sorry, I'm in a bit of a rush, Martin. 25:03 Good afternoon, gentlemen. 25:05 Hello, Linda. Hi. 25:06 See you later, everyone. Bye. 25:08 You do know Ed's a grandpa now, Linda? 25:11 Yes, I heard. 25:12 Is he? Yeah, best job in the world. 25:15 And how are you and yours, Brian? 25:17 Good. 25:18 It was Xander's birthday last week. I bought him this neat little kid's gardening station. 25:24 Oh, what a novel idea. 25:27 Can't wait to hear what he thinks. 25:29 You can always rely on children to be brutally honest. Well, yeah. 25:33 What can I do for you, Linda, as you come to see me, I presume? Yes. Now, I understand from Kate she's spoken to you about my and Robert's idea. Oh, what's this? Well, you may have heard we're winding down the B&B. 25:47 Yeah, I was sorry to hear that. 25:49 Well, it's needs must. 25:51 And I'm not aware as to whether Kate's imparted all the details, Brian, so perhaps I should summarise. 25:59 Go ahead. 26:00 Well, we're looking for a piece of land to set up a contained dog field. Dog field? That's right. A safe and secure area for people to exercise their dogs off leave. 26:12 Ah, like the one over by the church in Darrington? Yes, they're proving very popular. 26:16 And you're proposing to set up this dog field where exactly? If it were of interest to you, we wondered if you might have some suitable land for it. 26:25 I see. 26:27 So what do you think? 26:29 You want to know what I think? Absolutely. I think the whole idea is completely absurd. 26:35 I beg your pardon? 26:36 If you think I'm going to let dogs roam wild on my land after what happened here to Brookfield's sheep, you must be living on another planet. 26:44 Steady on. 26:45 No, no, no, no. I don't think Linda's quite grasped the severity of what happened here. Your dog killed livestock on this land. I'm aware of that, Brian. Ravaged them. Brookfield lost a huge amount financially. Why on earth would I allow unleashed dogs here? It will be a secure space, that's the point. But how would that look? Me, investing in something like that? 27:09 I wouldn't be able to look David Archer in the eye ever again. 27:12 I think Linda and Robert are trying to do something to compensate for what happened. 27:16 Are they? Or they're just looking to make money, save their own skins. Oh, come on, Brian, be fair. 27:22 No, no, it's quite all right, Martin. Brian makes a good point. 27:25 Yes, yes, I do. 27:27 No, I've got to get on. 27:28 Of course. Well, thank you for your time. 27:34 So what names you thinking of, Amber, now you're not calling him Joe? 27:38 George thinks I'm crazy, but I quite like Bear. 27:41 Bear? 27:42 Yeah, yeah, because he reminds me of a little bear cub. He's always wanting to be held. 27:47 Or fox. Or maybe even river. 27:51 What do you think, Emma? 27:52 Oh, I don't know, really. Um... I've always liked Max or Zach. 27:58 You are such a millennial. 28:00 Oh, really? Oh, I'll just get the nappies in case you need to change in. I know, stay sitting down. I can get them. Oh, it's OK. I've been sitting all day. All right. 28:10 You know, Dad set up a book for the baby's name. 28:13 What? 28:14 You know, for people to suggest names and bet on them. Thinks he can make a bit of money on it. 28:19 Really? Thinks people are that daft to bet money on him choosing their baby's name? I don't know. It's a bit of fun, isn't it? Is it? Well, maybe don't tell Amber. Don't think I'd be too happy if it was me. 28:30 No, no, no, I won't. 28:31 As if she hasn't got enough to deal with, honestly. 28:34 Right, here they are. 28:36 And the changing mat and wet wipes and stuff are under the sofa. That's a good idea. Yeah, well, there's not loads of room in here. 28:42 I don't know how we're all going to fit in here when he's rolling around on a play mat. 28:45 I see you've got that little Moses basket set up over there. 28:48 Yeah, that's just for the daytime, you know, when we put him down. Not that we're using it much yet. He just starts crying. 28:57 Did you say they've gone out for a burger, Poppy and Will? Yeah, for Poppy's birthday. Oh, that's nice. I think they're trying to keep out the way, you know? I'm sure Poppy enjoys being taken out to eat. Speaking of, shouldn't you be having your tea now? I can smell Clary's cottage pie. Yeah. 29:13 George is heating it up. Do you want to pass the baby over to Ed, then? 29:16 Yeah, fair's fair. My turn for a cuddle. 29:19 Come on over to Grandaddy. Right, let's see if we can do this without waking him up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There we go. You've got his head, haven't you? Yep, yep. Don't worry, don't worry. Okay, so he's just had a feed, so he should be okay for a little while. 29:34 And remember, please, whatever you do, do not put him down, because he'll just cry, okay? Yeah. 29:39 I know what I'm doing. Don't you worry. 29:41 You go and have your tea with George, love. Go on. 29:43 He's absolutely fine with us. Ah, OK. 29:49 Thanks, Tracey. 29:53 I think you need those drinks after you're running with Brian today. 29:56 Oh, hello, Martin. Robert and I were just discussing it. 30:00 Between you and me, I thought he was a little harsh. Well, I don't know. It's just his way. 30:05 Oh, you're on your own? 30:06 Killing time, waiting for a friend. I have a few phone calls to make it. You know, I was thinking about your dog field idea. You just need to find the right place for it. 30:19 I don't know. I feel I've been slightly naive. 30:22 Oh, absolutely not. It's got potential. Maybe, but as I said to Robert, I think it's probably best if we just put it all to bed and move on. 30:31 Enjoy your drink, Martin. 30:35 It's a lovely feeling, isn't it? Holding a sleeping baby. 30:39 Ed, are you getting broody? 30:42 Maybe a little. 30:44 What, aren't you? 30:44 No. Are you serious? My baby days are well and truly over, so don't start getting any ideas. As lovely as he is, I'm very happy to be his grandma, but no, I don't want any more of my own. 30:58 OK, OK. Can you get it, please? It's in my back pocket. 31:05 There. Thank goodness he's still asleep. Who was it? Martin Gibson. 31:09 Oh, you're joking. 31:10 I keep saying you need to tell him you don't want to inform on Brian. You should never have agreed to it in the first place. 31:16 But I didn't. I don't want to be Brian's stooge, neither. 31:19 Shall I put it back in your pocket? 31:20 Yeah, please. 31:22 Thanks, love. Oh, I promised George and Amber some of you were a leftover birthday cake. I'll get it out for you, then. You all right here? 31:28 Yeah, I'm absolutely fine. It's just you and me now, eh? Yeah. 31:35 Who's that now? Right, I'm going to pop you down here for a moment, okay? Yes, you're a good baby, aren't you? You stay there in your cosy basket for a second. 31:44 Oh, Martin. 31:47 Hello? Yes, hello, Ed. Yeah, now's not really a great time, Martin. 31:51 Really? 31:51 I think we're long overdue at catch-up, don't you think? Martin, look, sorry, I'm with my grandson. Hi, lovely, yes, congrats. 31:58 Are you a granddad or a grandpa? 32:00 Look, can I call you back, please? Hello? 32:04 No, I've really got to go now, Martin. 32:06 Shh! 32:07 Oh, mate. Oh, look. Ed, what did you do? 32:10 I'm sorry. I only put him down for a second. 32:12 Oh, no. Baby, baby, come to Mummy. 32:15 It's OK. 32:17 Yes, Ed, why did you do that? 32:23 I just came for some more ice. 32:25 I'm afraid Tracey's just gone to change the barrel. Linda, I really do think there's something in this dog field idea. 32:33 Oh, Martin, we've talked about this. 32:35 No, no, no, just hear me out. I think I might have the solution you're looking for. 32:39 Really? 32:40 What about using BL land? 32:43 I hadn't really thought it would be something BL would consider. What about the other board members? Brian Aldridge, for one. 32:50 Well, it would have to be agreed by then, but I reckon I could get a majority decision. I see. I think it could be a very beneficial collaboration. Gaining a profit from land not best suited to agriculture. 33:03 A win-win. Yes, I agree. But? Well, the business case is compelling. It's just the politics. Brian thought it most inappropriate, so you'll never get him to agree. And there might be other opposition. I mean, what will Brookfield think of the idea? 33:18 Have you consulted them? No, not as such. Well, you need to talk to the archers. 33:23 If you can get them onside, which may be tricky, then Brian won't have a leg to stand on, will he? And we might see about moving this thing forward. 33:32 Maybe you're right. 33:34 No point letting politics get in the way of a good business deal, eh? 33:40 Honestly, Ed, what were you thinking, putting the baby down after Amber told you not to? 33:45 Oh, all right. I feel bad enough already. 33:47 St George seems stressed. Bless him. 33:50 Well, it is stressful having a baby, isn't it? 33:52 You've changed your tune. I still want one. 33:55 Yeah, maybe not. 33:56 Yeah, I knew it. 33:57 So much easier being the grandparents, innit? Give them a cuddle and hand them back. 34:01 Yeah, you're right. 34:03 I'm always right. 34:05 We just need a simple life from now on, OK? 34:09 If it's Martin Gibson again, you tell him what's what, OK? 34:13 Well, it is. 34:15 Right, well, now's your chance. You tell him. Tell him you're sorry, but you value your job with Brian too much and you never agree to be involved. OK. 34:25 Hello, Martin. 34:26 Ed, is now a better time? 34:28 Um, yep. Yeah, it's fine. 34:31 Good. So, have you anything to update me on as my interested observer? 34:36 Uh, yeah, yeah. 34:38 About that, Martin. 34:39 I never actually agreed to it. Oh. 34:41 Well, you took the tree surgery work willingly enough. 34:45 Just tell him where to go. 34:46 Listen, um, I'm sorry, Martin. 34:49 I didn't agree to do anything for you, so there's nothing to talk about. 34:53 I see. 34:54 So you don't have an opinion about how Brian runs things down there? 34:58 Of course I do. 34:59 I just don't want to talk to you about it. 35:01 So you're just happy to be Brian's lackey then, are you? 35:05 No. 35:06 I just want to keep my job. Simple as. 35:08 I see. I just hope it all works out. For all of our sakes. 35:14 OK. I have to go now, Martin. Goodbye. 35:17 Well done. That wasn't so hard, was it? No, I guess not. What's the matter? 35:23 He was playing mind games, making out like I'm Brian's yes man. 35:27 Well, you kind of have to be. You agreed to work for him. 35:29 I'm not just a nodding dog, you know. 35:31 I know that. Look, we've got our own business to worry about. You don't want all this nonsense with Brian taking up your headspace. 35:38 Yeah, I know. He was just trying to wind me up. 35:41 Yeah, and he succeeded. 35:43 I'm over it. I don't need the likes of Martin Gibson hassling me. 35:47 Yeah, exactly. And we've got a gorgeous little grandson now to think about. 35:51 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 35:53 So life's good, isn't it? 35:56 Yeah, yeah, you're right. 35:58 It is. 36:05 So a quick summer recap. 36:07 Heat waves, data leaks, AI hacks, folding phones and a viral spinally challenged raccoon. 36:12 Yeah, I think that covers it, right? 36:15 I'm Thomas Germain. 36:16 I'm Jess Maddox, and The Interface is back from its summer break. 36:19 New season, new co-host, same deep dives into the tech that's shaping our world and our lives. 36:25 So before AI wipes out all of humanity... 36:28 Allegedly. 36:29 Join us for The Interface. 36:30 Listen on bbc.com or wherever you get your podcasts. 36:36 I'm Shannon Maldonado. I'm a founder of IAWI, a souvenir store with artisans and peces selected by artists. 36:44 I chose Shopify because, after experimenting with other platforms, this was, undoubtedly, one of the most intuitive. For me, it was important to think about where we would be in the future. All the elements to analyze sales, like the inventory, are there, on our dashboard. 37:01 Start your free review at shopify.com. 37:11 I don't know how you can drink tea like that. It's practically a milkshake. 37:15 Yeah, all right. 37:17 So, we disagree on tea. 37:20 Is it a deal-breaker? 37:22 I'll have to have a think about it. 37:25 Where's Ben? 37:26 Already left. 37:27 And Paul? 37:29 He's gone too. 37:31 So, I suppose we've got the house to ourselves... 37:35 What time did you need to get to work? 37:38 Well, I... Hello? 37:40 Oh, no. 37:42 Mum? Hello, darling. 37:44 The door was open to... Oh, hi. 37:48 Hello, Elizabeth. 37:49 We're just dropping some things off for you, Lily. 37:52 I don't know why you don't just drink prune juice in the morning. It's great for keeping you regular. 37:57 Oh. Hello, Harrison. Freddie. Freddie. 38:01 One blender for you, sis. 38:03 And these are the clothes you wanted me to bring. I guess you need to try them on for Vince's party. 38:08 I'm just going to hang them here. 38:09 Is that all right? Sorry, we're interrupting. 38:13 Oh, no, no. Honestly, it's just fine. 38:16 We were just passing by. We're on our way to meet the caterers about the party. And meeting Pip later. You know, running through the plans for her wedding. 38:24 Oh, right, of course, yeah. Well, tell her I said hello. OK. Well, we'd best get going. Come on, Freddie. 38:33 Yeah. 38:34 See ya. Bye. 38:35 Yeah, bye, folks. 38:41 Well, that went well. 38:44 Yep. Talk about a mood killer. 38:50 So have you got everything sorted for Vince's birthday? Hopefully. I forget how much organising a party requires. A bit like a wedding. 38:58 Speaking of which, are you getting more excited now? Yeah, yeah, we are. 39:04 And you've got a few other children coming along now, I hear. 39:08 Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't the intention, but what can you do? 39:13 We don't want them all running wild. Rosie joked about hiring a massive bouncy castle, but obviously that's not going to happen. 39:20 Do you have any thoughts? 39:23 Um, so you want something that's going to occupy them, but nothing too intrusive? Yeah, yeah, exactly. We want it classy, you know? Well, why don't we go down to the storeroom and see what we might have? 39:38 It beggars belief it does. Someone can do this to a wall that's been here for generations. 39:44 Oliver said the quote for the repairs I water in. No one round here does dry stonewall, does it? 39:49 Hopefully he can get it sorted on the insurance. 39:52 Hey, you haven't put a bet on the baby's name yet? 39:55 You're expecting family to chuck money into your little scheme, are you? 39:59 Yeah, why not? You think it's a bit bad taste, Dad? What's bad taste about it? It's just giving our George and Amber some ideas and earning a few quid for them on the side. Yeah, and how much have you earned for them so far, then? Well, nothing, but you never know. Eddie! Ed! 40:15 Oh, now then, Harrison. Hey, oh, how are you? Yeah, just look at this here walk. 40:21 Oh, yeah, yeah, I see. Thanks for coming. 40:24 Oh, disgusting it is. So you reckon someone's been nicking the stones, eh? Oh, but before we get to business, are you a betting man, Harrison? 40:35 Sometimes. I'm running a book, names for our George and Amber's baby. Aye. So, what do you reckon? Got any suggestions? Oh, you know, I'm very good at those kind of things. Go on, pick a name. You might win the jackpot. 40:49 Well, it's a boy, is it? Yeah, yeah. 40:53 Well, I always thought I'd make a good Dan. 40:56 Dan? Yeah, well, you know, because Harrison's a bit of a mouthful, isn't it? You know, Dan, Daniel, Danny Boy, it's solid. Yeah, good one. Right, that's a fiver, please. You never said I had to pay it out. It's a betting book, what do you expect? No, sorry, Eddie, I don't gamble on the job. 41:13 Oh, suit yourself. 41:14 Right then, let's have a proper look at this wall, shall we? 41:21 Right, so we've got croquet, balls, giant dominoes. Oh, and there's this hoopla thingy-majig if you want it. These are great. Yeah, thanks, Elizabeth. No problem. 41:35 I don't suppose you've heard from Lily recently, have you? 41:38 No, not recently, no. 41:39 Hello? Hello? 41:42 Anyone there? Hi, Freddie. 41:45 Ah... 41:46 I see you've discovered where all the bodies are buried. 41:48 Oh, Freddie. 41:49 Don't you find it creepy down here? 41:52 We found some great stuff to keep the kids entertained. Oh, the giant dominoes. I loved those when I was little. Oh, what fun. Not just for kids, I hope. 42:03 I was going to ask you, Freddie, how are you with the Macarena? 42:07 I mean, I'd say I'm familiar with it. I didn't think it'd be your taste. 42:10 No, it's not. It's for the kids. 42:12 Oh, yeah. 42:13 You don't mind playing a few child-friendly party tunes to start with, do you? No, not at all. And then we want some real dance floor fillers later on. Sure. Sure. What were you thinking? Ah, well, yes, slight sticking point here. Stella wants Motown classics, but I'm more a noughties indie vibe girl. 42:30 OK, well, for the sake of a harmonious marriage, I think I can probably do a bit of both. Really? Yeah, sure, leave it with me. 42:39 Pip, have you thought about transport, you know, how you're getting here? 42:43 Uh, yeah. Well, Rosie had this mad idea that she wanted to come on horseback. Oh, did she now? Yeah, but it's totally bonkers. Is it, though? Yeah, and she's seen this thing online where you can dress up horses to look like unicorns, so... 42:58 What? What? That mischievous Freddy look. I can see it. 43:03 Well, it is a special day for Rosie too. And you know, I need to keep my favourite niece happy. 43:09 No, you don't. Not if it involves unicorns. Where are you going? Well, to see if I can make dreams come true. 43:16 Don't do anything bonkers. 43:17 Yeah, yeah. Bye. 43:20 Oh, I dread to think what he's going to come up with. 43:24 Sorry, did you say you had spoken to Lily? 43:28 No, I haven't seen her in a while. How is she? Oh, she's fine. But you've heard about her and Harrison then? 43:34 Yes. 43:35 And she's not said anything to you about him? 43:39 No, no. Oh, right, OK. 43:42 Why? 43:44 Well, it's all slightly tricky, isn't it? 43:47 Is it? 43:48 Oh, you mean with Fallon working here? 43:50 Yeah, but also... Well, I just don't want it to be a repeat of what happened with Russ. 43:57 Oh, you mean because he's an older guy? 43:59 No, no, I mean... I don't want her to think we disapprove, you know? 44:05 Well... You know, Stella and me, there's a pretty big age gap between us. Of course, of course there is. I'm sure people thought the same about us at first, although no one said it directly, you know. But, I mean, my mum, she was really supportive and I was grateful for that. 44:22 I'm sure it'll turn out. 44:24 It did for us. 44:26 Yes, I know, I know. 44:29 Yeah, you're right. 44:30 And, yeah. Have a think about putting out signs that say concealed CCTV operates in this area. Yeah, I know it's hassle, but sometimes it's enough to put thieves off. Oh, thanks, Harrison. 44:43 Yeah, thanks. I'll go and fill Oliver in now. Yeah, I'll see you later, Dad. Yeah, bye. Yeah, it's all right. 44:51 So, how are you getting on? A bit of backing up? Oh, yeah, you know, getting into the swing of things. 44:58 Big changes. Takes a lot of getting used to, I imagine. 45:01 Yeah. 45:02 Yeah, I guess so. Quite challenging stuff. 45:06 You've spoken to Fallon, then? 45:08 Fallon? 45:09 Yeah. 45:11 Well, I mean, yeah, yeah, I have, but... No, I wasn't talking about her, I was talking about your job, your new job. 45:17 Oh, right, yeah. 45:20 Sure, but presumably Fallon has spoken to you about everything. 45:23 Well, a bit, you know. 45:26 So you know about me and Lily? 45:28 Yeah, well, I had heard. 45:30 Right. 45:31 Nothing happened when me and Fallon were together. It was all above board. 45:35 None of my business, mate. 45:36 Because I know it was quick and all, but... 45:38 It was a bit. 45:41 Sorry? 45:42 Quick. 45:45 All right. 45:46 Well, you said it yourself. Why? Has Fallon said anything? 45:50 No. No, no, no, she hasn't. But, you know, if I'm being honest, I was a bit surprised how fast you moved on. Ah. 45:58 And who said I'd moved on? 45:59 Well, you're seeing someone else, mate. It doesn't mean I've moved on. 46:03 Look, I just meant how quickly you're... 46:06 Listen, no worries, mate. I'd best be going now any road. 46:09 Harrison, I didn't mean to sound off. No, mate, you're fine, honestly. 46:16 You didn't need to drop it over this evening. Well, what good is a blender without a lid? 46:21 Freddie left it in the car. 46:24 Smells good. 46:25 My turn to cook. It's just risotto. 46:27 Lovely. 46:30 I'm sorry it was awkward this morning. Oh, it was fine. If we'd known Harrison was here, we wouldn't have barged in like that. Freddie would have. 46:38 Well, I hope we didn't scare him off. 46:40 It's OK. It's just hard to find places where we can be normal. 46:46 Everyone seems to have an opinion. Not you and Vince. You guys have been great. But other people. Oh, like who? Oh, it's nothing. Who? I mean, who's been saying things? Honestly, Mum, it doesn't matter. 46:59 Now, come on. 47:00 You can tell me. 47:01 Well, Uncle Kenton. 47:05 What? 47:06 Yeah. 47:08 Why? I mean, what's he said? He jumped in my car and started quizzing me about Harrison. What? Yeah, and I really wasn't prepared for it. I sort of felt under attack. Well, that's outrageous. What did he say? 47:22 He said stuff like, I shouldn't trust Harrison. 47:26 That's ridiculous. 47:27 Yeah, he said he wasn't mad at me. In fact, he cared about me. But he just thought I was being naive to think that Harrison might be serious about our relationship. He even brought up Russ. What? 47:39 And what did you say? Well, I told him to mind his own business. But actually, do you know what? He made me really angry. I mean, what makes him the great expert on relationships? 47:51 It's made me really on edge about it, though. Like, I just don't know how people are going to react. 47:56 Right, well, let me deal with my brother. 47:58 Oh, I don't want to cause any more problems. 48:00 No, it won't. He's probably already regretting it. 48:03 I've been trying to keep under the radar a bit, going places where we can just be anonymous. 48:12 Can I tell you what I think? I don't know. It depends what you're going to say. 48:16 I think if you and Harrison like each other, then you should go for it. 48:20 Really? 48:21 Yes, I do. 48:23 And what should we do about everyone else? 48:26 What about them? They should keep their noses out. Yeah? Yes, it's your life. You're both adults and you have the right to go about your business without judgement. 48:35 Yeah. 48:37 Yeah, we do. And I will 100% support you in that. 48:43 And leave Kenton to me. 48:51 And are we still calling him baby? Or have you decided on a name yet? Still baby, I'm afraid. 49:00 Oh, well, there's no rush. You'll find something perfect, Amber. 49:05 Oh, look at him. 49:07 Doesn't he look cosy in that soft little blanket? 49:10 Gorgeous, isn't it? 49:11 Clary knitted it for him. 49:15 Oh, do you want me to take over while you look at that? 49:19 No, it's OK. It'll just be work. Oh, really? One of the brands I'm signed up with. 49:25 Oh, right. Didn't realise you'd be doing that so soon. 49:29 Yeah, yeah, I agreed to a quick timeline as soon as the baby arrived. 49:35 And how are you feeling? 49:38 Um, I'm OK. It's nice to be out the house. 49:44 I felt bad yesterday. Poppy's birthday. She was all grumpy. Said she'd been woken up by the baby. Oh, well, she seemed fine when she came to ours. But Will's been great. It's just a bit intense now. You know, us sharing a house with them now we've got a newborn. 50:01 Yeah, it's not ideal. 50:03 I am feeling a bit better about it all, though. You don't need to worry. 50:07 That's good to hear. 50:08 But remember, Amber, you are still recovering. You don't have to jump straight back into everything. 50:14 Yeah, yeah, I know. It's just... 50:17 I won't get any income if I don't do the work. But I haven't even announced I've had the baby online yet. 50:23 I can't face sharing what happened just yet. Oh, no, of course. And you don't have to. No, but I do need to say something to let my followers know that he's here. 50:31 Yeah, but... Surely people will accept that you need a bit of time to adjust. Yeah, but that's not the point, Susan. 50:39 I'll be losing traction, even these last few days. And this work I've got lined up, it could lead to loads and loads of other promotional stuff as he grows up. 50:48 Oh, isn't it awful? Baby not having a name. 50:52 You need a name, don't you? Oh, we've got a whole long list and none of them are quite right. 51:00 You spouting to a day? Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was fine about us not calling him Joe. It was a big relief for George. 51:06 Oh, no, no, I mean about his baby book. 51:10 What baby book? 51:12 He's been asking people to come up with names for you, putting money on which one you'd choose. 51:18 What? 51:20 You didn't know? No, I didn't know. 51:26 Afternoon, Pip. Oh, hi, Linda. 51:28 How are you doing? Very well, thank you. 51:32 And you? 51:33 Yeah, just finishing off. This lot are a bit bad-tempered this afternoon. 51:38 I was only five minutes late and they gave me a real telling off. 51:41 Like clockwork, eh? Yeah. 51:44 Um, Pip, I'm so sorry to bother you like this. I know you're very busy, but there is something I've been meaning to talk to you about. If you have the time. 51:53 Oh, sure. Sure, I'll be finishing up here soon, if you can wait. 52:01 I'm sorry, Eddie. I think I might have landed you in it. 52:06 What have I done now? 52:07 Amber didn't know about the baby book. 52:10 George didn't tell her. It would seem not. Well, it was just a bit of fun. 52:15 Yeah, well, she's got a lot on her plate at the moment, so I reckon you'll want to apologise. 52:21 Apologise? 52:22 What for? 52:24 Clary's just having a cuddle. Is that tea ready? I so need the caffeine. Oh, Neela, you fancy a biscuit, Amber? 52:31 Oh, yeah. Go on, then. 52:32 Oh, here. Freshly baked. You came at the right time. 52:37 Oh, amazing. Thanks. Now, I think Eddie has something to say. Haven't you, Eddie? 52:44 Have I? 52:45 Yes. Yes, I think you have. Oh? 52:49 Right. 52:50 Well, Amber, the last thing in the world I want to do is upset you like. 52:56 OK. 52:57 So, well, Susan here says you didn't know about the baby book I'm running. 53:02 No, I didn't. 53:03 It was just a bit of fancy to make you some money. I didn't mean to cause any offence. 53:09 Is that my tea, Susan? Oh, yeah. Thank you. 53:13 All I was trying to do was to get you some ideas and make you a few quid on the side. Right. 53:19 Right? Well... Well... 53:23 So, you're sorry, aren't you, Eddie? Oh, I guess. It doesn't seem like you are. 53:29 No, it doesn't. 53:30 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. All right? 53:34 Well, thanks. I appreciate it. It... 53:38 Shall we take these three to Clary? I thought you said she was upset. I was, that nobody told me. But now I'm dying to hear all the suggestions. 53:50 So, just to be clear, Linda, you are always welcome here. 53:54 The family hold no animosity towards you or Robert. 53:58 Oh, thank you. Thank you, Pip, we appreciate that. 54:01 I know, it was a very hard situation with Monty. 54:05 I hope you understood our point of view. 54:07 Yes, yes we did. Not that it wasn't difficult, but we accepted it and we're happy he's in a new home now. 54:16 But a little time has passed and we're trying to make something positive out of that awful situation. 54:24 I see. But we want to make sure that you and the family are okay with our plans before we take it any further. 54:30 Okay. Okay. 54:31 You may have heard we're planning on winding up the B&B. I had heard. I'm so sorry. It was probably time, but it does leave us open to a new venture. 54:43 Right. 54:44 Robert and I are cautiously optimistic about it. 54:47 So are you going to tell me what it is? 54:48 Yes, yes, of course. We're exploring the idea of setting up a local dog field... 54:56 What? A dog field, a safe and secure place for dogs to exercise. And you're thinking of that where? Right here, in Ambridge. We're looking for a field that Borchester land doesn't need for farming. 55:10 I see. 55:11 So, what do you think? 55:14 I'm sorry, Linda, I'm just going to have to change these boots. Could you give me a second? 55:19 Of course. Take your time. 55:25 Sorry we've got to rush off, Eddie. I want to get him home for his next feed. 55:28 Oh, no problem. 55:29 But thanks for the list. Plenty to think about. Although some people have very strange ideas. 55:35 A real shame I couldn't make any money out of it for you. 55:38 Yeah, well, they may be strange, but folk aren't daft, Eddie. 55:41 Yeah, all right, all right. I won't waste my time again. 55:45 Well, tell Clary we said bye. I'll see you next week. All right. Ta-ra, then. Bye, Eddie. Bye. 55:53 Sorry, Susan. I'm just not that confident feeding him outside of our house yet. 55:58 Oh, of course. You'll get used to it. And then you'll be doing it all over the place. 56:04 Really? I always thought I would, but I don't know. I just feel self-conscious. 56:11 Did you like any other names then? 56:13 I'm not sure. 56:16 It's such a responsibility naming someone. You just don't want to get it wrong, do you? And then they're stuck with it. 56:22 Well, there's no rush, love. You just come to it in your own time. 56:27 But, you know, I do wonder if Eddie actually has a point here. Really? Yeah. Asking people to suggest names. It's quite a nice way to let people know the good news. I was actually thinking this could be something I could do on my socials. You know, as a first introduction to the baby. What, asking people for ideas? Yeah. And then it's, like, twofold, you know? Letting everyone know who's here. Plus, it's not too heavy. What, and anyone can reply? That's the point. I've seen people do it before. What, and you'd want that? 56:59 Well, yeah, why not? People interacting. It's usually the best-performing type of content. 57:05 Hmm. 57:06 OK. 57:06 I mean, it's just like Eddie asking people in the village. 57:09 Is it? Sure. 57:11 And you think it's a good idea, getting back into work so soon? 57:16 Well, it's not like I'm going to work at the shop or... An office or anything. No, but there's still pressure. 57:23 And sharing your life like this, are you okay with that? 57:28 Um, yeah, I am. I have to be. It's how I earn a living. I don't have any other options. I mean, I get some maternity pay from the farm shop, but it's not a lot. But Georgie's earning now. I mean, surely he'll get a good whack over your dad. He's only just started. He's not earning commission yet. Anyway, I want to make my own money. And it's actually really good for me. Is it? Yeah. Look, you might not understand it, but it's my community. 57:59 You know? 58:00 Makes me feel less... alone. Yeah. 58:04 I see. 58:05 Yeah, and if anything, it'll just be something comforting to look at during those long night feeds. 58:11 OK, love. 58:13 Sounds as if you know what you're doing. 58:15 I do. 58:19 So this would be a field for dogs to run around off their leads that people would pay for? 58:25 That's correct. And it would be extremely safe and secure. It would have deer fencing so the dogs couldn't dig underneath it. And an on-site car park so dogs would come straight to the enclosure. And it's all to be time monitored. 58:41 And we'd also need to build a wash-in and out area so there's no disease transmission. Right. 58:46 Right, OK. Well, what do you think? 58:51 Well, I can see the benefits for dog owners, but as a farmer and local resident, I'd have a few concerns, starting with the car park. 59:02 It would need to be gravel, I expect. Oh, indeed. And that would need to go through planning permission. 59:07 Yes. 59:09 I suppose it would increase traffic to the area? Probably, slightly. But bookings will be staggered, you see. So I would hope it wouldn't cause massive disruption. 59:18 And what about the noise? Barking from multiple dogs? You know, how annoying that could be. 59:23 Yes, but there won't be a lot of dogs all at once. The field is hired out to one dog owner at a time, so there would be no more sound than if a dog were being taken for a walk in the countryside. 59:36 And what about disruption to natural wildlife? Yes, well, we have considered that, but this sort of enterprise will cause minimal disruption. The main reason for doing it is to make the whole village safer for wildlife and working animals. Yes. Yes, I understand. 59:55 Well, in principle, if you're aware of all the concerns and you have ways of mitigating them, I wouldn't have any objections. 60:03 Really? Yeah. Sure, I think Stella would definitely make use of it with Cleo. She always feels bad about keeping her on the lead. 60:11 Oh. 60:11 Wonderful. That really is wonderful. 60:14 I was worried you were going to be against it. 60:17 I want you to succeed, Linda. Thank you. 60:22 And how do you think your mum and dad might take it? 60:25 I think they'd be the same as me. They'd have questions, but I think, overall, they'd be supportive. 60:31 Really? 60:32 I mean, I'll speak to them, but I don't see why they wouldn't be. 60:35 I know it must have been terrible for all of you that day. Yes. Yes. 60:41 As a farmer, you get used to animals dying, but when it's horrific and sudden like that, it plays on my mind. If only we'd got there sooner. 60:52 Oh, those thoughts haunt me too. 60:54 You can't change what happened, but you can do something about it to learn from it. 60:59 Indeed. 61:00 And I think what you're suggesting is commendable. 61:04 Well, thank you. But not without its challenges. 61:07 Ah, no. Well... 61:08 But what isn't, hmm? 61:10 And if anyone can handle it, it's you, Linda. 61:19 Harrison, sorry, I missed your call. 61:21 Oh, hey, I know you're busy at work. It's just a quick one, actually. Where are we meeting tonight? 61:26 Oh, I hadn't thought about it. 61:29 That's if you're still up for it. 61:31 Yeah, yeah, I am. I'm just not due to finish until seven. 61:35 Can I let you know? 61:36 Yeah, yeah, sure, because you can. 61:37 Lily! Oh, look, sorry, I've got to go. I'll have a think and message you later. 61:41 Yeah, yeah, no worries. Hey, have a good rest of your day. 61:43 Hello. 61:45 Sorry, I was meant to send you that invite list, wasn't I? Here, look, I can do it now. 61:51 Thanks, darling. 61:53 The caterers are chasing me for final numbers. Oh, sorry. I completely forgot. You could have messaged. Oh, no. I was coming for a quick swim anyway. 62:02 Everything all right? 62:04 We just had a staff meeting and some idiot made a comment about me and Harrison. It's like being back at school. What did you do? Oh, I just laughed it off. Ian told them to pipe down. 62:16 Er, anyway, there it's sent. 62:20 I have to get back to reception now, so... Oh, yeah, of course. 62:22 Well, I'll follow you in. OK. You know, I've been thinking, would you like to invite him to Vince's party? Invite who? 62:29 Harrison, of course. 62:37 Top up, Linda. Oh, just a drop, thank you, Martin. It's a shame Robert couldn't make it. 62:43 Oh, grandparent duties, I'm afraid. He's away overnight. 62:47 He dotes on mango. 62:49 Now, I think I'll go for the duck salad. 62:51 And for me, the steak sandwich. 62:54 So, tell me, how did you get on yesterday? I understand you met with Pip Archer. You don't hang around, do you? 63:01 We had a very good conversation, yes. Pip naturally had a lot of questions regarding practicalities and potential disruption, but yes, she was actually very supportive. Marvellous. She's going to speak to David and Ruth, but she doesn't think they'll raise any objections. 63:18 So, we're ploughing ahead. 63:20 Oh, I hope so. 63:21 Now, obviously this has to go to the board, too. Well, of course. So, if you could keep it under your hat for now. Oh, absolutely. Because I wouldn't want Brian to get wind of it. Oh, my lips are sealed. I know he rubbished it the other day, but, well... Actually, I thought he seemed in good spirits before I annoyed him. 63:39 Sounds like he's been able to make amends with Adam. I understand it's been a very rocky time for them. 63:45 Yeah, but you never know with Brian which way he's going to blow. Now, shall we order? 63:50 Hmm. 63:53 Good afternoon, Lily. Elizabeth? Hello, Brian. 63:56 I'm not going to help you. Do you have a lunch reservation? 63:59 No, no, I'm actually looking for Ian. 64:01 Oh, um, he should be in his office. 64:03 Oh, righto. 64:04 Do you want me to phone ahead and see if he's free? No, no, no, that won't be necessary. Do you know where his office is? No, I'll find it. 64:11 I wonder what that's all about. No idea. Why don't you have a think about inviting Harrison and let me know later? 64:19 Sorry, yes. I wasn't expecting you to want him there. 64:24 Why? Because it might be complicated. 64:27 With Jolene and Kenton? Especially with Kenton? I've told you, I'll deal with my brother. 64:32 I don't want it to cause an atmosphere. Not when it's meant to be a party, a celebration. It won't. Really? I just think it's too much. 64:42 OK, if that's how you feel. 64:43 No, it's not how I feel. It's just the way it is around here. 64:47 It can sometimes be difficult... 64:49 Mum, I know you're thinking this is going to be a repeat of Ross, but it's not. 64:54 No, I wasn't thinking that. 64:55 I've learnt to know when things aren't right and when they are. 65:00 Sweetheart, if you want Harrison to come, then ask him. If you don't, that's fine too. Whatever you think, it's all right by me. 65:08 Thank you, Mum. 65:13 Ian, do you have a moment? 65:15 Brian, yeah, yeah. Just one second. 65:23 Right, right. 65:25 Sit down. 65:26 How are you doing? Not good, Ian. I'm rather put out as it happens. I've just run into Kirsty in the village, who was very effusive towards me. That's nice. Very effusive and very thankful. 65:40 Because apparently I am the very kind donor of a child's gardening station to the rewilding site. 65:48 Oh. 65:49 Yeah. 65:50 Yeah? Oh, what an amazing contribution and how generous of me. And, of course, I haven't got the foggiest idea what she was talking about. So, are you going to explain what this is all about? 66:01 Yeah, I thought Adam might have messaged you. No, he didn't. 66:05 I mean, you should really be talking to him about this. Well, I would if I knew where he was, but he's not answering my calls, of course. 66:10 Right. 66:11 So you've come here? Yes, for an explanation, which surely I'm owed. 66:16 Yeah, sure. Well, um... 66:18 The simple answer, Brian, is that Adam didn't want to accept the gift. 66:23 Why? 66:23 I think you know why. Remind me. Well, he doesn't want the gift because he doesn't want to accept anything from you. Oh, OK. But he was happy to take seven grand, wasn't he? That was for the seed drill. This is different. Quite right. This was for Xander. He doesn't want you involved in Xander's life. 66:41 But why? 66:43 You know why. 66:45 But you said yourself, only the other day Xander misses me. Well, I miss him. 66:52 He'll think I've forgotten about him, that I've abandoned him. We can explain that to him. No, no, no, I don't want you to explain. I mean, how would he understand? How would he make sense of it? He will, and it'll be fine. No, no, no. Look, I'm his grandfather, and I have a right to see him, to buy him gifts on his birthday. You can't just give them away like that without even telling me. I'm sorry. I did tell Adam he should return it directly to you. I can't... I don't want it. It's for Xander. I built the thing for him. I know. 67:23 And I'm sorry. Truly. 67:26 How long is Adam going to treat me like this? How long is he going to keep me away? He's very hurt, Brian. 67:32 Well, so am I. You need to talk to him. I can't change his mind. 67:38 Oh, Ian. Ian, look. Please help me. 67:42 I just want to see my grandson. 67:44 I'm sorry, Brian. I... 67:47 I really don't know what I can do. 67:52 So let me have a look at this proposal in detail, Linda, and I'll get back to you in due course with some thoughts. Yes, naturally. 67:59 And please do let me know if you have any questions. 68:02 I will. You know... 68:04 I'm really rather hungry. Maybe we should have ordered starters. Uh-oh, is that who I think it is? 68:10 Oh, yes, yes, it is. Brian, hello. Hello. How are you? Not good. Oh, you do look rather pale. Do you need to sit down? Oh, yes, I do. Um, are you OK? 68:25 Yes. No, no, not really. I've just had a run-in with Ian. Oh, no. Bad service? What? 68:30 No, no, no, no. Personal matter. I'm so sorry to hear that. Is there anything we can do? No, no. Nothing anyone can do. 68:39 Families, eh? Yes, well, quite. Always someone to appease. 68:43 Anyway, what are you two doing here together? This is an odd little tete-a-tete, isn't it? Oh, well, um... 68:50 Yeah, yeah, so Linda and I were talking about ways in which I can volunteer. Really? Yes, yes, I'm in a community-minded mood, and Linda was just filling me in on, well, how I might be able to offer my expertise. Right, well, that is unusual. 69:07 Well, not really, Brian. Martin here is one of many who value the community. He's already signed up to Speedwatch, and we were discussing how he might help with the Harvest Supper. 69:18 Yes, that's very much me. I see. 69:20 Well, good on you, Martin. Yes, yes, it does feel good. Just as long as you weren't discussing Linda's barmy dog-field idea. You're not still peddling that hair-brain scheme, are you, Linda? Absolutely bonkers. 69:35 Right. 69:36 Now I'll leave you to your lunch. I must be getting back to work. 69:40 I know where to find you now, Martin, on Friday lunchtime. Oh, yes. Half a bottle down doing so-called good deeds. 69:47 Yes, yes. That'll be me. 69:53 Oh dear, outside drinking alone on a Friday night. 69:58 Well, I finish my shift and these heaters are lovely, as is this mojito. 70:03 Shame I can't stop to join you, Adam's cooking tonight. Mmm, nice. Well, it would be, except we've got serious Brian-related matters to discuss, I'm afraid, but what's new? 70:13 Yeah, he was on the rampage earlier. Hey, you're waiting for someone, aren't you? 70:20 Uh, no. 70:20 Why have you got lippy on? 70:22 Because I feel like it. 70:24 No, no, no, I'm not having that. You've got changed as well. 70:27 Have I? 70:28 Oh, come on, you can tell me. I need a bit of cheering up. 70:31 I honestly can't get away with anything, can I? 70:35 I'm sorry, sorry, I was only messing. I'll leave you in peace. 70:38 No, sorry, sorry, Ian. 70:40 I'm meeting Harrison. 70:42 Oh, I thought as much. 70:44 Thanks for defending me in the meeting. 70:46 Yeah, of course. They're only jealous. 70:48 What? 70:49 Yeah, I mean, he's a bit of all right, isn't he, Harrison? 70:52 Well, yeah. 70:54 And he's a decent guy. 70:55 I think so. 70:56 Yeah, good on you, that's what I say. 70:58 Thanks. 70:59 You enjoy yourself. 71:00 Yeah, yeah, maybe. 71:03 But what do you think about Fallon? Do you think it's too soon? 71:08 Well, from what I heard, it's been on the rocks for a while. I mean, why has he been away all this time? 71:13 Yeah. 71:14 Look, I'm sorry. If your marriage is good, you don't work away for over a year and hardly see each other. 71:19 I suppose so. 71:21 Well, anyway, I'll make myself scarce. Have a good one. 71:25 Yeah, thanks, Ian. Bye. All right, Harrison. Hey, Ian. All right. 71:30 Hello. Hello. Was he being all right? 71:37 Yeah. 71:38 Yeah, Ian's great. Sorry I couldn't get away sooner. 71:40 That's OK. 71:41 So, how come you wanted to meet here? You're not bothered about being seen with me? 71:46 Not anymore. 71:46 Oh? 71:48 Well, I don't know. If people are going to talk, they're going to talk. And anyway, I fancied a cocktail. 71:55 Eh, too right. Do you want another? Shall I get them in? 71:57 OK, but, um, Harrison, just wait a minute. There's something I want to ask you first. 72:02 Oh, OK. 72:03 So, um, how do you fancy going to a party on Sunday? 72:08 Oh, party, eh? Well, I do like a party. 72:12 Well, it's not just any party. It's at Lower Locksley. 72:16 Ah. 72:16 Vince is the 60th. Mum's been organising it and I've been helping her. Yeah, yeah, you mentioned. There's going to be food, drinks, a band, dancing. 72:26 So, yeah. What do you think? Do you want to come? 72:31 Well, erm, I mean, do you want me to come? 72:35 I think so. 72:36 You don't sound too sure. 72:38 Well, it just means you've got to sort of face my family. 72:42 To your family, why? What are they going to do? 72:44 No, nothing. But, you know, it might be awkward. 72:49 What? 72:50 Why aren't you saying anything? 72:53 Just thinking about awkward. 72:55 Yeah? 72:55 I mean, it might be awkward when you see me dancing. 72:59 I've seen you dancing. 73:00 Yeah. 73:03 Look, you can totally say no if you don't want to. I understand. 73:06 But then I'd miss out on seeing you and I kind of like seeing you. 73:11 Do you? Yeah. 73:13 And you might wear a nice dress. 73:14 I might. 73:15 And I won't be able to see you in it if I'm not there, will I? 73:17 No. 73:19 But I haven't decided what I'm wearing yet. 73:20 Well, I think whatever you wear, you'll look gorgeous. 73:24 Oh, you're embarrassing me. 73:27 So I guess, well, I might have to say all right, then. 73:31 OK, then. 73:32 OK. 73:34 So you'll come? 73:35 Yes. 73:37 Perfect. 74:00 Thank you. 74:31 I'm Daryl Breen. And I'm Hannah Fry. And we're back with another series of Curious Cases, exploring a whole new set of scientific head-scratchers, including... 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